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there was nothing like the kind of crowds we thought we saw when pope john paul died. this pope is deeply loved by the very sincere and devoted and devout roman catholics but he is considered more of an intellectual and somebody who is never emotional like john paul the ii. still heartfelt by his devotees. >> all the cardinals are there. >> they are pretty much all here and they have had the time to gather because of his resignation which was announced a couple of weeks ago. the first formal meeting will happen on monday. only then will they decide what day to establish the conclaf and then they will start their secret deliberations. we are told around the 9th, 10th, 11th of march. >> all week we have been focusing on the controversy in cardinal mahoney's role in electing of the new pope. he has been stripped after thousands of pages revealed his role in shielding priests from justice. the nauseating story from 360's gary tuckman. >> reporter: the first time is when he helped bring them to the ashch diocese of los angeles. the ashch bishop of mexico city wanted him gon
there was nothing like the kind of crowds we thought we saw when pope john paul died. this pope is deeply loved by the very sincere and devoted and devout roman catholics but he is considered more of an intellectual and somebody who is never emotional like john paul the ii. still heartfelt by his devotees. >> all the cardinals are there. >> they are pretty much all here and they have had the time to gather because of his resignation which was announced a couple of weeks ago. the...
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paul ii. white smoke coming 24 hours after the voting began signaling the start of pope benedict's eight years heading the church. today we went down where it all happened down in vatican city. >> as of february 28 the papal apartment will be vacant and as the rules dictate, they will have 15-20 days to bring all the cardinals around the world here, under the age of 80. they will lock themselves in the sistine chapel and begin the process. there will be secret ballots, after each ballot paper slips will be burned. white smoke will arise when they have news of great joy. >> we have a pope. that announcement will come right there from the balcony just as it did in this very spot eight years ago. >> shep: we don't know when it will happen but we'll get a better idea tomorrow. changing the face of catholicism for many years to come. with us is joan lewis, she worked at the vatican for information services 34 years. >> in rome. >> shep: you never saw? >> i never thought i would be here 27 years and
paul ii. white smoke coming 24 hours after the voting began signaling the start of pope benedict's eight years heading the church. today we went down where it all happened down in vatican city. >> as of february 28 the papal apartment will be vacant and as the rules dictate, they will have 15-20 days to bring all the cardinals around the world here, under the age of 80. they will lock themselves in the sistine chapel and begin the process. there will be secret ballots, after each ballot...
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although, many of us remember the pictures of john paul -- pope john paul ii who was extremely old and ill when he died. the supposition here is that pope benedict doesn't want to see himself in the same position we saw pope john paul ii. there may be some reasons regarding pope benedict's health that we are aware of at this time. but certainly we have seen it pulled benedick grow increasingly tired -- pope benedick xvi grow increasingly tired. we have seen him use a way of moving up the basilica of a moving platform because he was too tired during those ceremonies to actually walk down the i yelled up to the altar. -- down the aise up to the altar. these all decisions that were taken not to tire the pope particularly over christmas. which is one of the busiest times in the pope's schedule. easter is coming up and that is also a very busy time for pope benedict. he has obviously decided this is too much of a heavy schedule for him. and he will in fact resign, as a said, on february 28. it remains to be seen what may happen after that and who will be pulled for the very important easter
although, many of us remember the pictures of john paul -- pope john paul ii who was extremely old and ill when he died. the supposition here is that pope benedict doesn't want to see himself in the same position we saw pope john paul ii. there may be some reasons regarding pope benedict's health that we are aware of at this time. but certainly we have seen it pulled benedick grow increasingly tired -- pope benedick xvi grow increasingly tired. we have seen him use a way of moving up the...
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benedict was the intellectual architect of john paul's papacy for 20 years. so in terms of substance, broad vision for the church, the two were clearly this lock step. but in terms of personality, john paul had a raw sort of freak of nature charisma that took the world by storm. benedict has always been a bit more of an acquired taste. widely admired for the keenness of his intellect. and when i've covered his foreign trips, what's interesting is that he often plays best as a cultural critic. a man who engaged in broad trajectories. doesn't generate the same kind of wild enthusiasm at the grass roots, of course, as john paul. >> certainly i can tell that from some of the visits i've done. the real enthusiasm for john paul, a first time pope had con cost to communist cuba and he was incredibly received. i polled pope benedict last year cuba and you could see that he was also very warmly received, but didn't generate the kind of adulation, if you like, the kind of mass cult following that his predecessor between. and from what i understand, it was that trip tha
benedict was the intellectual architect of john paul's papacy for 20 years. so in terms of substance, broad vision for the church, the two were clearly this lock step. but in terms of personality, john paul had a raw sort of freak of nature charisma that took the world by storm. benedict has always been a bit more of an acquired taste. widely admired for the keenness of his intellect. and when i've covered his foreign trips, what's interesting is that he often plays best as a cultural critic. a...
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anderson, there was nothing like the crowds we thought we saw when pope john paul died and then when the next conclave elected pope benedict xvi. this pope is deeply loved by the very sincere and devoted and devout roman catholics, but he's considered more of a professor, more of a theologian, more of an intellectual, someone who was more of an intellectual than pope john paul. >> any idea when the conclave will begin to select the new pope? they're all there. >> reporter: they are pretty much all here, and they had a time to gather at his resignation, which was announced a couple weeks ago. they're not all here yet, and we understand that the first formal meeting of all the cardinals will happen on monday, and only then will they decide what date to actually establish the first day of the conclave, and at that point those cardinals who are eligible to vote will start their secret deliberations. we're not sure when. we're told somewhere potentially around the 9th, 10th, 11th of march. >> christiane, i appreciate it. >>> he's been stripped of public duties after thousands of pages, th
anderson, there was nothing like the crowds we thought we saw when pope john paul died and then when the next conclave elected pope benedict xvi. this pope is deeply loved by the very sincere and devoted and devout roman catholics, but he's considered more of a professor, more of a theologian, more of an intellectual, someone who was more of an intellectual than pope john paul. >> any idea when the conclave will begin to select the new pope? they're all there. >> reporter: they are...
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martha: at that time obviously the legacy of sphoap john paul was so -- the legacy of pope john paul was so huge. some those would be a transitional pope before the next person was ready to take over. we have a lot to go over with all of this in the course of the next couple hours. in the meantime we want to bring you this breaking news and fill you in on this situation unfolding in a courthouse in wilmington, delaware where we just heard shots have been fired. police are confirming there are several injuries in this case. the building is on lockdown. some people are still inside that building. we have a crew en route there. we'll bring you the latest information as soon as it becomes available. another day, another shooting story. the los angeles police department is offering a $1 million reward for information that would lead to the capture of a former police officer. christopher dorner accused of murdering three people in a rampage last week and included in those deaths is a police officer. here is video that shows dorner during this police training. we have not seen much of this
martha: at that time obviously the legacy of sphoap john paul was so -- the legacy of pope john paul was so huge. some those would be a transitional pope before the next person was ready to take over. we have a lot to go over with all of this in the course of the next couple hours. in the meantime we want to bring you this breaking news and fill you in on this situation unfolding in a courthouse in wilmington, delaware where we just heard shots have been fired. police are confirming there are...
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but with john paul ii, there years people thought any minute we have to plan for the future. they are talking about a short amount of time. maybe it will be just weeks before they have a new gathering of all of the cardinals in order to vote in a new pope. but all the maneuvering that had been going on before, all that kind of thing, there does not seem to be a front runner of the moment. it really is wide open. >> thank you very much for coming in. thank you. stay with us on bbc world news. more on our breaking news. pope benedict xvi is to resign at the end of the month. the official in charge of india 's massive religious festival has announced he will resign the day after a stampede killed at least 36 people. he said he took a moral responsibility for the deaths of which happened when a foot bridge collapsed at a railway station. most of the victims are said to be women. some 30 million programs have been bathing in the river. our correspondent is there. >> the streets are overflowing -- overflowing with people. hindu children trying to return home. you can see how it eve
but with john paul ii, there years people thought any minute we have to plan for the future. they are talking about a short amount of time. maybe it will be just weeks before they have a new gathering of all of the cardinals in order to vote in a new pope. but all the maneuvering that had been going on before, all that kind of thing, there does not seem to be a front runner of the moment. it really is wide open. >> thank you very much for coming in. thank you. stay with us on bbc world...
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i think we would be looking for vigorous and dynamic leadership, perhaps in the mold of john paul ii. >> archbishop of milan, the archbishop of vienna, gmt enoa, italy, two vatican cardinals in the mix, do you agree with the monsignor about the qualities of what needs to be considered as we look to who would take benedict's place? >> yes, i think the monsignor is absolutely -- as somebody who has studied this, the church has become quite diverse. while there's been a decline of things catholic in places like the united states, that is not the case in places like africa, latin, central america, central mexico. the activity has quite energized, so make a prediction that you'll see a greater voice of those communities, nigeria, brazil, mexico, because the catholic church and the conclave in particular has become more diversified over the years. don't forget john paul ii was the first known italian in 453 years, nobody ever believed that, so here we are 2013, and you might see a seismic change again. >> ray flynn, monsignor tom mcsweeny, thank you for joining me. i really appreciate it. >
i think we would be looking for vigorous and dynamic leadership, perhaps in the mold of john paul ii. >> archbishop of milan, the archbishop of vienna, gmt enoa, italy, two vatican cardinals in the mix, do you agree with the monsignor about the qualities of what needs to be considered as we look to who would take benedict's place? >> yes, i think the monsignor is absolutely -- as somebody who has studied this, the church has become quite diverse. while there's been a decline of...
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it was very difficult to imagine another pope after pope john paul. they needed somebody to be different. i think he have the strength and the character to do that. >> he certainly have the intellect. the catholic church is declining in numbers in europe and america. it is growing in africa and latin america. is it time for a pontiff from outside europe? >> it is certainly possible. just before being elected pope, he thought that the time might be drawing close for a pulp from another part of the world. i would say possible. there are strong european candidates. the college of cardenals is an immense group of talent. there are strong candidates from south america, africa, and the far east. pope benedict has given us a great legacy of courage preaching the gospel. just last week he was speaking at one of the seminary's in rome. he warned students against a false optimism. the idea that everything is right with the church. he said, no, there is sin. he also warned against a false pessimism, that christianity is dying. he said that the church is always r
it was very difficult to imagine another pope after pope john paul. they needed somebody to be different. i think he have the strength and the character to do that. >> he certainly have the intellect. the catholic church is declining in numbers in europe and america. it is growing in africa and latin america. is it time for a pontiff from outside europe? >> it is certainly possible. just before being elected pope, he thought that the time might be drawing close for a pulp from...
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ratzinger, was very keenly aware of what happened to pope john paul ii. he talked to people about how his demise seemed somewhat of a dishonorable end to his papacy. he had in his mind already what type of glorious exit, to use the phrase, he may want in store for him. let's get some perspective as to what is coming out of the vatican as to why this is happening, what it means. john allen, our senior vatican analyst, joins us now. what do we know, john? >> reporter: what we know is that we are living through a day of enormous shock here in rome. not so much the pope benedict xvi chose to resign. he signaled two years ago that he would be open to doing that, but the fact that we had absolutely no indication this was coming today. precisely because of that, therefore, there are some enormous unanswered questions about how all of this is going to play out. i suppose the biggest questions would be, "a," what will the role of a retired pope be? will he continue to play any kind of public role? will he continue to exercise any influence on the future direction
ratzinger, was very keenly aware of what happened to pope john paul ii. he talked to people about how his demise seemed somewhat of a dishonorable end to his papacy. he had in his mind already what type of glorious exit, to use the phrase, he may want in store for him. let's get some perspective as to what is coming out of the vatican as to why this is happening, what it means. john allen, our senior vatican analyst, joins us now. what do we know, john? >> reporter: what we know is that...
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paul and who was here with me in rome when we covered the death of john paul. and carl, it is good to see you. and i'm wondering just about your general reaction now, eight years later, when many people thought this would be a placeholder pope, what are your thoughts today? >> i think that it was worse than a placeholder pope. that the church fell into a kind of morass because of its internal problems and the failure to modernize its institutions, the conclave that elected benedict probably could have seen this coming, it didn't. but the truly revolutionary act of this papacy is the resignation of benedict while he's still somewhat able. it breaks tradition and it's an extraordinary and brave act that perhaps will enable the next conclave to think differently about the future of the church. and i started doing some thinking and going back and looking at modern history of the church last night. maybe, they're always talking, the cardinals, about hoe the holy spirit may move them. maybe it's time for a new vatican council, such as pope john xxiii called in the mi
paul and who was here with me in rome when we covered the death of john paul. and carl, it is good to see you. and i'm wondering just about your general reaction now, eight years later, when many people thought this would be a placeholder pope, what are your thoughts today? >> i think that it was worse than a placeholder pope. that the church fell into a kind of morass because of its internal problems and the failure to modernize its institutions, the conclave that elected benedict...
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the sex scandal came to light under pope john paul ii. they say now look for youth, a conservative vision and most likely, a european. >> the numbers are really stacked toward the europeans. unless there's some kind of inspirational moment where someone kind of just steps out of the pack -- by that i mean someone who speaks languages, knows the global world, it's a very difficult job description. >> reporter: but maybe not difficult for cardinal natural olay, a french canadian. >> there is a cardinal mark olay, who is now currently the head of the office of bishops in rome. so we could have a canadian. >> reporter: 119 cardinals will vote in the upcoming conclave to select the new pope, most of whom were appointed by pope benedict xvi and pope john paul. both, staunch conservatives, so expect a conservative voice to be chosen. something young catholics accept. >> i feel like moderate is probably fine. i'm a card-carrying liberal like for sure, but like -- >> but you don't think the church needs to go that direction? >> well, i don't know
the sex scandal came to light under pope john paul ii. they say now look for youth, a conservative vision and most likely, a european. >> the numbers are really stacked toward the europeans. unless there's some kind of inspirational moment where someone kind of just steps out of the pack -- by that i mean someone who speaks languages, knows the global world, it's a very difficult job description. >> reporter: but maybe not difficult for cardinal natural olay, a french canadian....
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paul. >> pope john paul ii. >> yes, of course. the long twilight of john paul, his struggle with age and parkinson's disease, lingering effect of the 1981 assassination attempt are all played out in full public view, and john paul decided to use his illness and decline in a way as a teaching moment, that -- to show the world you can still be of value, still play an important role while being ill, suffering, and so on. that was john paul's particular way of handling the twilight of his life. benedict xvi, while i think certainly ahe certainly admiring john paul, thinks that's not the path that every pope takes. some of the difficulties the vatican faced in recent years. internal disarray relating to the leaked crisis. the damage imposed upon the public image of the church by the sex abuse scandals and so on, it's clear that that has taken a toll on benedict xvi, he has struggled with that personally and it may well be that the people who have seen the cumulative effect of that, that the church needs a new lease on life and a fresh
paul. >> pope john paul ii. >> yes, of course. the long twilight of john paul, his struggle with age and parkinson's disease, lingering effect of the 1981 assassination attempt are all played out in full public view, and john paul decided to use his illness and decline in a way as a teaching moment, that -- to show the world you can still be of value, still play an important role while being ill, suffering, and so on. that was john paul's particular way of handling the twilight of...
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he did offer hints that he would maybe not go the same way and perhaps after watching pope john paul ii deteriorate at the end that he would not do the same thing. >> well, chuck, let's begin with john paul ii. i think that john paul ii at the end of his life gave a great christian witness, invited people to experience what the church means by the pascal mystery of the life and death of christ and invited people into his own suffering that ennobled all suffering. pope benedict the xvith is a man of conscious. if you read the statement that he made today at the consistery he said he prayed over this and he had come to the view that he could no longer give the church the service it required and tlf as may 28th, at 8:00 p.m., the seat is to be vacated and that means that the college of cardinals should proceed to elect a new pope. as claudio said a moment ago, it is a surprise as to timing but not a surprise to fact. benedict xvith on several occasions and most recently in the book "light of the world" indicated if he ever came to the conscientious view that he couldn't give the church
he did offer hints that he would maybe not go the same way and perhaps after watching pope john paul ii deteriorate at the end that he would not do the same thing. >> well, chuck, let's begin with john paul ii. i think that john paul ii at the end of his life gave a great christian witness, invited people to experience what the church means by the pascal mystery of the life and death of christ and invited people into his own suffering that ennobled all suffering. pope benedict the xvith...
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>> well, i think he sees the papacy very much in continuity of john paul ii. they were both men of the council. they were at vatican 2 and contributed and i think both saw an attempt to interpret vatican 2 properly. i would say that's the major contribution of pope benedict. he wanted to read vatican 2 as a an evangelical council, a council to get the message of the faith out to the wider world and i think in koont knewty with john paul and that's probably the major legacy. >> father, this will kick off sort of the ultimate insider political battle if you will. i can think of nothing less than transparent of the election. it's a cardinal sin to discuss it an they're told i guess going to hell to talk about what happens in that room. >> wow. >> i wonder if you could just take for sort of the laymen and women out there for the process. what is going to unfold in the week and months ahead to elect a new pope? >> of course, this is very unusual. we are not dealing with the death of a pope followed by a period of mourning and a number offer is moans and masses that
>> well, i think he sees the papacy very much in continuity of john paul ii. they were both men of the council. they were at vatican 2 and contributed and i think both saw an attempt to interpret vatican 2 properly. i would say that's the major contribution of pope benedict. he wanted to read vatican 2 as a an evangelical council, a council to get the message of the faith out to the wider world and i think in koont knewty with john paul and that's probably the major legacy. >>...
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a relative enigma compared to john paul ii, of course. an old fashioned man in modern times. and now the question for catholics and their church becomes what next. nbc's anne thompson is here with us, with part of that story. anne, good evening. >> good evening, brian. we're in such uncharted territory, that the vatican doesn't even know how pope benedict will be addressed after february 28th. when a pope dies, the conclave to elect his successor begins 15 days after his death. but now when it will start is just one of many mysteries in the wake of today's startling news. ♪ the cardinals, the men who will elect benedict's successor, were as surprised as the people in the pews. new york's cardinal timothy dolan on the "today" show. >> i'm as startled as the rest of you and anxious to find out exactly what's going on. >> reporter: and like the nation's cardinals, the faithful have many questions. >> maybe he's trying to do what's best for us as the church and he wants us to be led by, you know, a strong person who is of sound mind and body. >> reporter: some express the hope
a relative enigma compared to john paul ii, of course. an old fashioned man in modern times. and now the question for catholics and their church becomes what next. nbc's anne thompson is here with us, with part of that story. anne, good evening. >> good evening, brian. we're in such uncharted territory, that the vatican doesn't even know how pope benedict will be addressed after february 28th. when a pope dies, the conclave to elect his successor begins 15 days after his death. but now...
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under rules established by pope john paul, only cardinals under the age of 80. will the retiring benedict be able to vote? he's 85. who can be elected pope? any catholic male who's not married is eligible. for more than 1,000 years it's almost always been a cardinal. the ballot is secret. a write-in vote. initially two-thirds majority required. the cardinals are required to carry their ballots to the altar of the sistine chapel. the results are announced by smoke signals. in the old days ballots were burnt with wet straw to produce black smoke. if there's a pope, white smoke. the white smoke accompanied by bells. and soon, a verbal announce nmt latin, we have a pope. one of the more interesting bit of trivia is that they'll have on hand three different casts for the newly elected pope. small, medium, large. the first glimmer of who that next pope will be, we'll see when he steps out on to that balcony. george? >> we're joined on the phone by cardinal wuehrl, thank you for joining us. your first thoughts upon hearing this news. >> it was an enormous surprise. whe
under rules established by pope john paul, only cardinals under the age of 80. will the retiring benedict be able to vote? he's 85. who can be elected pope? any catholic male who's not married is eligible. for more than 1,000 years it's almost always been a cardinal. the ballot is secret. a write-in vote. initially two-thirds majority required. the cardinals are required to carry their ballots to the altar of the sistine chapel. the results are announced by smoke signals. in the old days...
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pope john paul ii said i need you with me. of course he did. he listened to john paul. so he's been well aware of his own fragility of his health for a while. >> reporter: and you know, the timing is also rather surprising. it is two days before ash wednesday, and the start of lent, a very holy day for catholics. the cardinal said in facts he's sure people around him knew that this was going to happen. and put a transition team in place. the cardinal says a conclave will take a month. but right now all of that timing is being worked out. suzanne. >> all right. deb, thank you. i appreciate it. >>> the former navy s.e.a.l. who reportedly fired the shot that killed osama bin laden is said to be furious with the u.s. military. he has no pension or medical insurance, and according to an investigative piece in esquire magazine called the man who shot and killed osama bin laden, the shooter who is not named, he told a friend, this is a quote here, he says if i get killed on this next deployment. i know my family will be taken care of. but if i come back and retire, i won't hav
pope john paul ii said i need you with me. of course he did. he listened to john paul. so he's been well aware of his own fragility of his health for a while. >> reporter: and you know, the timing is also rather surprising. it is two days before ash wednesday, and the start of lent, a very holy day for catholics. the cardinal said in facts he's sure people around him knew that this was going to happen. and put a transition team in place. the cardinal says a conclave will take a month. but...
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and we know that pope john paul was very ill -- >> yes, he was. >> towards the end. so, why this unprecedent ed in modern times? >> we've known it's always been a possibility. they would ask about that, especially, like you mentioned in the days of blessed john paul ii. was it a probability, no. but now, the ice might be broken. and in the future, it might become not as startling. >> what happens when you have a former pope? >> i'm wondering myself. i'm wondering. we haven't been through this in 600 years. so, i think he's going -- let me get to my books, let me get back to my piano. he's going to be saying. let me concentrate on my writing. he's probably going to relish the transition. >> would you like to see an african? would you like to see a south american? >> yes. and i think those are very probable. to think that maybe, maybe the college of card nainals feel th holy spirit is directing them to choose from somewhere else, i think so. >> what are the odds of a north american? and you were asked, what about you? >> is this abc news or comedy central? you are -- >
and we know that pope john paul was very ill -- >> yes, he was. >> towards the end. so, why this unprecedent ed in modern times? >> we've known it's always been a possibility. they would ask about that, especially, like you mentioned in the days of blessed john paul ii. was it a probability, no. but now, the ice might be broken. and in the future, it might become not as startling. >> what happens when you have a former pope? >> i'm wondering myself. i'm wondering....
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pope john paul ii was 84 when he died. wlerned after he died he considered twice resigning because of his ill health. this sets up a political process with the conclave electing the next pope. dan harris joining us on this discussion. it was a quick process to anoint pope benedict. how does the process work? >> this is a fascinating, intricate, ancient process. a brief look at how it works. take a look. for the past 10 year, papal elections have been held in the vatican's sistine chapel. they're totally cut off from the outside world. all banned. once the election commence, they'll sleep and eat in the santa marta house in private rooms, each with a bathroom. about 70 people are awe loied in besides the cardinals. who can vote for the pope? usually those under the age of 80 at the time of the pope's death. so at this time benedict is still alive. will he be part of it or will his age keep him out? any catholic male, not married, is eligible. for more than 1,000 year, it's almost always been a cardinal. the ballots are secr
pope john paul ii was 84 when he died. wlerned after he died he considered twice resigning because of his ill health. this sets up a political process with the conclave electing the next pope. dan harris joining us on this discussion. it was a quick process to anoint pope benedict. how does the process work? >> this is a fascinating, intricate, ancient process. a brief look at how it works. take a look. for the past 10 year, papal elections have been held in the vatican's sistine chapel....
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paul ii. >> reporter: there are several candidates but none considered a front-runner. cbs news, vatican city. >>> there's a $1 million bounty on the head of christopher dorner, the fugitive ex-cop charged with murdering a california policeman. dorner accused in a deadly revenge vendetta against other officers is a target of a massive search. the search has been focused on the mountains about 80 miles east of los angeles. court papers reveal authorities now believe dorner may have fled to mexico and may have had help doing so. >>> two reputed chicago gang members have been charged in the shooting death of hadiya pan pendleton who died days after the inauguration. 18-year-old michael ward and 20-year-old kenneth williams said pendleton was not the intended target. they thought they were firing on a rival gang. pendleton's parents will attend the state of the union address tonight. >>> coming up in the morning news, stranded ship. thousands of passengers on a carnival cruise face deteriorating conditions after their ship becomes disabled. this is the "cbs morning news." m
paul ii. >> reporter: there are several candidates but none considered a front-runner. cbs news, vatican city. >>> there's a $1 million bounty on the head of christopher dorner, the fugitive ex-cop charged with murdering a california policeman. dorner accused in a deadly revenge vendetta against other officers is a target of a massive search. the search has been focused on the mountains about 80 miles east of los angeles. court papers reveal authorities now believe dorner may...
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paul ii's ilniz. and i think it's much more important to have a vital individual there to carry on as pope, so i think the pope made what i think will now be a precedent-setting decision. >> i think there's no doubt in that. with the advances in medical technology, if they could continue to essentially live out their lives as pope. so somebody we'll be discussing in the coming days. i want to switch gears and talk about the state of the union. glen rush from politico writing that it will be less of a olive branch. if that's the strategy, what do you think of it? do you think it's the time what most americans seen -- the time is right for the president to push hard? >> well, you know, they always ask the question, the state of the union is, fill in the blank. i think the state of the union is strong, but the state of economy is weak. we have too many people looking for jobs and too many people who have given up looking for jobs. he never menned -- so let's get together, put people back to work. he can
paul ii's ilniz. and i think it's much more important to have a vital individual there to carry on as pope, so i think the pope made what i think will now be a precedent-setting decision. >> i think there's no doubt in that. with the advances in medical technology, if they could continue to essentially live out their lives as pope. so somebody we'll be discussing in the coming days. i want to switch gears and talk about the state of the union. glen rush from politico writing that it will...
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6:00 was in not very good shape at all, john paul -- john paul xxiii, and pius, a number of them ended their reigns in ill health. maybe u.s. a better service to the church, one feels one can no longer fulfill his duties as benedict xvi said. perhaps it's better for the church to step down voluntarily. rather than to wait until death. >> back in 1989 and 1994, john paul ii had prepared we know to resign, if, in fact, he had some sort of condition or disease that would keep him from fulfilling his ministry, we have learned that the late pope's the person in charge of his affairs. incredibly unusualnusual. right to dan lothian at the white house. did they have a close relationship. a typical relationship that you would have between a pope and world leader? >> i think it can be described as a respectful relationship, and the two have met, on one time face to face as far as we're aware, and back in 2009, overseas to agana and moscow, met face to face for 25 minutes, talked about billions of dollars in aid to developing countries and much of their discussion, food aid and discussion centere
6:00 was in not very good shape at all, john paul -- john paul xxiii, and pius, a number of them ended their reigns in ill health. maybe u.s. a better service to the church, one feels one can no longer fulfill his duties as benedict xvi said. perhaps it's better for the church to step down voluntarily. rather than to wait until death. >> back in 1989 and 1994, john paul ii had prepared we know to resign, if, in fact, he had some sort of condition or disease that would keep him from...
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he was not john paul ii. john paul was such an immense figure. is that a fair point mr. moody is making? >> well, i think it is a fair point. i have nothing but the greatest admiration for john, and i think pope benedict knew that. what comes through about pope benedict is the humility in one interview he gave, long book interview, where he mentioned the possibility of resigning but he said i'm convinced there are great popes and small popes, and he was talking about john paul ii as a great pope, and himself as small pope, which is also strange because he is obviously a great intellectual. but he knew he didn't have either the energy or, if you will, the pizazz of john paul ii, the media satisfy iy. but what he wad was very genuine. he is a month in love with god, and a very humble one. i noticed on the trip to the u.s., and you see the stadium filled, and john paul would enjoy those as much as an actor enjoys a big crowd, and benedict was a little bit almost embarrassed. but there was something beautiful and endear about that. >> there were missteps and miscues along th
he was not john paul ii. john paul was such an immense figure. is that a fair point mr. moody is making? >> well, i think it is a fair point. i have nothing but the greatest admiration for john, and i think pope benedict knew that. what comes through about pope benedict is the humility in one interview he gave, long book interview, where he mentioned the possibility of resigning but he said i'm convinced there are great popes and small popes, and he was talking about john paul ii as a...
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>> when john paul ii was ill, basically they knew what was coming. so they had time to prepare, to talk, to look at the challenges and to look at candidates, possible candidates. that is now not the case. yes, of course, people have been looking at the pope-- >> we're going to put up a list of some of those being considered. is age going to be a factor? this pope was 78 when he was being considered, very old, most cardinals have to retire after age 80. will age be a factor in the decision? >> it might or might not be. the reason i say it might not be, the pope has now resigned. in other words, he has done something that nobody thought of in the past. well, they speculated about it but never thought it could clearly happen. when they elected him, one of the factors could be they elected an older pope because he wouldn't last as long. among the challenges the next pope will face is the evangelization and being able to reach out and address others and of course the major concern, a worldwide among catholics is still adequately addressing the sex abuse s
>> when john paul ii was ill, basically they knew what was coming. so they had time to prepare, to talk, to look at the challenges and to look at candidates, possible candidates. that is now not the case. yes, of course, people have been looking at the pope-- >> we're going to put up a list of some of those being considered. is age going to be a factor? this pope was 78 when he was being considered, very old, most cardinals have to retire after age 80. will age be a factor in the...
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will he be on the order of a john the xxiii, will it be a john paul ii who knew how to deal geo politically with the modern world in terms of poland and the communist world at the same time dealing with the internal problems of the church. and yet, we're also seeing ancient tradition here. as well as an ancient pope who was unable to perform as he had hoped. >> we see that final wave, it seems, from pope benedict and those who have been so close to him over the eight years of his papacy and the applause by, again, members of his household and he is giving them his blessing and you see on his right hand, the fisherman's ring, it is cast for each and every pope, and when they cease to be pope, as he will at 2:00 this afternoon eastern time, and you see that traditional kissing of the ring, it will be taken and a silver hammer will be taken to it and it will be destroyed because that is also the papal seal. so this extraordinary moment in history, using the former joseph ratzinger who will be within hours be pope emeritus, getting into the car for this short ride to the helipad leaving the gro
will he be on the order of a john the xxiii, will it be a john paul ii who knew how to deal geo politically with the modern world in terms of poland and the communist world at the same time dealing with the internal problems of the church. and yet, we're also seeing ancient tradition here. as well as an ancient pope who was unable to perform as he had hoped. >> we see that final wave, it seems, from pope benedict and those who have been so close to him over the eight years of his papacy...
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he was 5 years old, older now than when his predecessor pope john paul passed away. that is to be taken into consideration. some of the are cardinals here in the united states are reacting. we heard from cardinal timothy dolan in new york, he was elevated to that office by pope benedict. let's hear what he had to say. >> i would presume his esteem for the office as the successor of st. peter and the chief pastor of the (audio difficulty) still to come when 9news continues we will have new developments in the search for a rogue california cop accused of killing outside a wave >>> a 14-year-old is being charged as an adult in the murder of his seven-month-old sister. police say baby larissa was left from the care of her brother jonathan a aguilera. the teenager admitted covering her nose and her mouth in order to stop her from crying. he is due in court for a bond hearing this afternoon. >>> a $11 million reward is now being offered for help to capture a former los angeles police officer wanted for murder. christopher dorner is accused of killing three people to avenge
he was 5 years old, older now than when his predecessor pope john paul passed away. that is to be taken into consideration. some of the are cardinals here in the united states are reacting. we heard from cardinal timothy dolan in new york, he was elevated to that office by pope benedict. let's hear what he had to say. >> i would presume his esteem for the office as the successor of st. peter and the chief pastor of the (audio difficulty) still to come when 9news continues we will have new...
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that pope john paul ii really needed him and wanted him around and discouraged him from those very thoughts. it is said that he will be leaving that congregation of cloistered nuns in the vatican. there he will pray and probably write. bill. >> bill: amy kellogg, thank you. reportingreporting from rome lie tonight in that fox report. president obama's offering appreciation and prayers for the pope. now he and the first lady have warm memories of their meeting with the holy father in 2009 at the time a spokesman said the pope was very impressed with the president and for his part the president said he looked forward to a very strong relationship between the united states and the vatican. today, the president said in part, quote: the church plays a critical role in the united states and the world and i wish the best of those who will soon gather to choose his holiness pope benedict the xvith successor. house speaker john boehner said the prayers and gratitude of american catholics are with pope benedict xvi today. our team fox coverage continues. "the fox report's" correspondent jonathan hunt
that pope john paul ii really needed him and wanted him around and discouraged him from those very thoughts. it is said that he will be leaving that congregation of cloistered nuns in the vatican. there he will pray and probably write. bill. >> bill: amy kellogg, thank you. reportingreporting from rome lie tonight in that fox report. president obama's offering appreciation and prayers for the pope. now he and the first lady have warm memories of their meeting with the holy father in 2009...
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john paul ii had a great impact on the church. in some ways the most important figure of the 20th century. it was because his youth and energy permitted him to be pope for such a long time. it would be a good thing. on the other hand , it's a really big job. think of being the president only on steroids and the number of people you have to be concerned with. so it takes a lot of wisdom and experience to do that well. >> well, we thank you for your insight this morning, sir. we appreciate it. john garvey, president of catholic university joining us on the phone. we'll talk to you in the days ahead. >> thank you, tony and allison. >> pope benedict xvi has announced this morning he will be stepping down. he will resign his position affective february 28th. >> all right. we of course will be following that throughout the morning. big breaking news there. >>> in the meantime, have we forgotten the big story to the north? >> i have a relative up in boston. she hasn't had power since friday. 30 inches of snow on the ground. >> that's the
john paul ii had a great impact on the church. in some ways the most important figure of the 20th century. it was because his youth and energy permitted him to be pope for such a long time. it would be a good thing. on the other hand , it's a really big job. think of being the president only on steroids and the number of people you have to be concerned with. so it takes a lot of wisdom and experience to do that well. >> well, we thank you for your insight this morning, sir. we appreciate...
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john paul said no, i need you here. pope john paul ii died and then he became pope. benedict is a far shyer man, he's a gentle man, he's far more than intellectual. he never sucked in the oxygen of the crowd. he at times, ren sant. since he announced his abdication, i have been struck by how much he relieved he looks. he actually ad lib when he got up there. when i looked at his prepared text. heed a lib an aline, people say that the church is declining but i see the church as alive, because that crowd was filled with enthusiasm and energy yesterday. you know, you have seen when he met with some priests here in rome about a week ago, he was supposed to deliver a speech about the second vatican -- vatican ii, he was there at the time, that happened 50 years ago. he said no, i can't do that because of my advanced age. 85 has become his excuse to be more casual if you will and he said, no, i'll sit here and chat with you. he talked with 46 minutes without a note about what went on 50 years ago. so, clearly, his mind and those who know him and those who read his writings
john paul said no, i need you here. pope john paul ii died and then he became pope. benedict is a far shyer man, he's a gentle man, he's far more than intellectual. he never sucked in the oxygen of the crowd. he at times, ren sant. since he announced his abdication, i have been struck by how much he relieved he looks. he actually ad lib when he got up there. when i looked at his prepared text. heed a lib an aline, people say that the church is declining but i see the church as alive, because...
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the challenges of pope john paul's suffering. and the way that perhaps the church might have struggled around him because of his own limitations. i think it's been visible to see the pope's weakness has been more and more evident when you see him at mass, at christmas masses this past christmas and some of the other major events, he sounded weaker and weaker. he's moving more and more frailly. i think it's a real sign of courage that he recognizes that the job is bigger than he is. as for the timing, this was all his own discernment and his own heart. as john allen just said, no one saw this coming. >> woodruff: sister christine, what about you? how did you read this given how unprecedented it is? >> well, i think it is very unprecedented. i agree with the professor. i think that... i don't know how he could have lived through the waning days of pope john paul ii's papacy and not been aware of how difficult it would be to continue vatican business. so we give pope benedict a lot of credit for the courage of stepping down. the oth
the challenges of pope john paul's suffering. and the way that perhaps the church might have struggled around him because of his own limitations. i think it's been visible to see the pope's weakness has been more and more evident when you see him at mass, at christmas masses this past christmas and some of the other major events, he sounded weaker and weaker. he's moving more and more frailly. i think it's a real sign of courage that he recognizes that the job is bigger than he is. as for the...